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Dick,

I have been watching the videos on the patters for Revival and I am on the Anointing video. You spoke about the sin and trespass offering and how it applies to us.

You said that Jesus dealt with the sin but we have to deal as priests with the trespass. Did I misunderstand, or did I understand correctly? If we don't deal with the trespass one ourselves, and we die, even though we have appropriated all that the Lord Jesus did on the cross of Calvary, we could still go to hell, because as the word states, if we don't forgive, the Lord can't forgive us and we die with this sin, unless we repent before we die. Is this where the Pentecostals get their teaching of not having eternal security.

I want to learn and really know the difference. I want to really understand how I am supposed to.

Judy

Judy, Judy, Judy;

Please view the video once again and listen for the sequence of the sin and trespass offering scenarios. You are absolutely correct in assessing the chronology of the salvation experience that it must preempt all else. I am surprised that you missed that on the video. All who are ever saved must come through the cross. The cross deals exclusively with the sinner and their sins. After that we as Priests unto God never have to concern ourselves with the initial salvation experience again. From that point on the sin of trespass effects us as priests and must be dealt with as a Priest would deal with the trespass offering. Please go back and review the tape and I am sure that this time around it will be much easier to decipher the chronology of events surrounding the sin and trespass as anti-types or types of "Spiritual sacrifices acceptable unto God" (1 Peter 2:5).

I would like to interject a note here by saying the newest or one of the newest false teachings coming out of Tulsa Oklahoma is the Gospel of inclusion being promoted by Bishop Carlton Pearson formally of the Oral Roberts camp. The Roberts camp does not agree with this damnable heresy that roots its foundation in the revelation of Pearson that the whole world is saved, they just don't know it. This is just one more step up from the liberal view of the salvation experience prompted by the seeker sensitive movement of Willow creek. The Pastor of Willow creek as you may remember counseled President Bill Clinton after his frolicking with Monica in the White house encounter. You have Internet accessibility so check out this Bishop Carlton Pearson as a good Berean would.

10 And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews. 11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so".
Acts 17:10-11

Thanks for checking us out also. We should all be aware of false teachings and be willing to question the teacher as you have done. One of the problems that we so often neglect is "Standing for nothing and falling for everything". To check out the truth surly does not mean that you have a critical spirit. To often we confuse a critical spirit with a hungry heart seeking the truth. A critical spirit is a work of flesh driven envies and jealousies, where as a hungry heart seeking truth is a spiritual journey not a destination. May your hungry heart for truth never be satisfied!

One troubling thought though before I close concerning your question "Is this where the Pentecostal's get their teaching of not having eternal security. I try to refrain from assumptions but I assume that you have trouble with the experience of Pentecost or the baptism of the Holy Spirit or the beliefs of Pentecostal's in general. No I do not agree with the position doctrinally of Eternal security as in Calvinism. I cannot find in scripture the fact that a believer cannot turn his or her back on God and be lost. Who are the lukewarm that Jesus spews out of his mouth? They are the carnal lukewarm who claim to know Jesus and are lost. The bible is rather pointed when it speaks of the salvation of the lost. Eternal security only promotes in my not so humble opinion, liberalness of the flesh as a licence to sin with no disciplining of the flesh in pursuit of Holy living. God Forbid!!! The word of God does declare that we are saved, we are being saved, working out our salvation in fear and trembling and he who endures until the end shall be saved.

The understanding of the forgiveness of the trespass and the provision thereof deals with the carnally lukewarm so as to bring them to repentance. The lukewarm are the carnally minded believers who still hold on to the pangs of the flesh. To believe in repentance after salvation for sins committed therein is to deny eternal security and I hold to that opinion or the scriptures lie to us when we look at the following;

7 "But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. 8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us".
1 John 1:7-10

The above is the key for continued fellowship with the Lord of all Jesus. Salvation was not cheaply wrought that we continue living in sin it was to forgive sin and wash sin away.

Dick Reuben